27 Oct, 2009

The View from within the prism: Religious(muslim) women

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I won’t claim to be the expert about how women view themselves from within Islam but at least I do interact and discuss the issue with them. Actually my mother’s viewpoint is the one that I get to hear the most and the one that i like the most :D

  • I can summarize it in a single phrase that she repeats often. “those sheiks got nothing on their mind but women, their issues and how corrupting women are. If they paid just as much attention to anything else we would be way better off”. This is and off itself is fascinating to me, because its mostly true and requires a distinct way of thinking to make it work.

    From my view point I find that being a devout religious women is certainly quite the interesting identity to have. Since at one hand you are fighting for your recognition in a mainly misogynistic and patriarchal society. On the other hand you have to suspend some of that confidence and self worth in yourself when it comes to some of what religion has to say about women in general.

    That requires the women, in my humble opinion, to develop more of a personal relationship with god and religion. Where they feel that they answer more to God than the religious authorities and hence tend to be accepting of individuals’ shortcomings – more so their own but that’s beside the point.

    For instance for Muslims you start with the premise of the majority of women will be in Hell, your husbands will have elves -err… sorry they call them hour- in your stead and the best you can achieve is to be considered half a man with half of his religion since you have half of his brain… oh … and you will be a minority in heaven as well.There is are some good things that religion has to say about women as well, like heaven is underneath mother’s feet and such but that usually comes as an afterthought when it’s a cross gender argument. More of a consolatory I might say since legislation and rites don’t seem to give it much credence.

    The ability to turn a blind eye to such statements is truly admirable and remarkable and makes for a very interesting relationship that women develop with religion and religious figures who detract of their worth.

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    6 Responses to "The View from within the prism: Religious(muslim) women"

    1 | Revelation

    October 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

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    As for “heaven is underneath mother’s feet”, that does not seem to be acknowledged by all Muslims, only Sunni’s, and yet it is said it might not be a proved one, i was given this link with the details:

    http://www.sobe3.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8984

    2 | bambam

    October 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am

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    You are right revelation …. i didn’t know that. So there is even less to be said about the good things that might be said.

    3 | kinzi

    October 29th, 2009 at 12:22 am

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    Yes, I’ve had problems with this on behalf of lady friends here. At first I thought it was the women of heaven who were the houranis, and that heaven for them was being revirginized nightly. Sounded more like hell.

    I don’t buy it, obviously, since I am not a Muslim. Of course some women are pretty bad, but from what I see, Muslim men can be pretty darn rotten on earth and the women work pretty darn hard to earn heaven. If heaven is earned on the basis of good works and God’s mercy in this faith, it seems an upside-down statement to say there are less of us inhabiting heaven.

    And it makes your mom’s faith even more valuable, but I will def stick to mine.

    4 | kinzi

    November 18th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

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    helllllllllllllllllloooo, BamBam!

    Hey, thx for the LI connection. I read your profile, you are just too darn smart.

    I’m trying to learn about economics, one post you mentioned how deflation is going to wreck things later. I read this article today, and wondered what you thought:

    http://prudentbear.com//index.php/thebearslairview?art_id=10309

    Wondering if it’s time to buy a couple chickens and plant some corn in Iowa.

    5 | bambam

    November 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

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    Thanks Kinzi really appreciate the link and you are far too kind.
    Great to hear that, and since i’m studying it as well I hope i’ll be able to help.
    A while back i did mention that after the sharp inflation what we will have to worry about it is the sharp deflation which we faced/facing/will face.
    I read the article and although i think he goes over board with the last 4 paragraphs the logic of it is correct.
    Basically Gold is becoming a really important factor and the illogical link between oil and gold is already established. The problem is that its slightly more complex than just blaming bernanke and the Fed.
    The problem right now is a lot more complex and mainly is related to china. That’s one big reason for why Obama is there right now. The weak renminbi was maintained by a constant supply of dollars and treasury bonds and it seems that china has shifted heavily into Gold and even started criticizing the states monetary policy and deficit public. This situation is tough since the low dollar and low RMB is making it tougher for the rest of the world to recover (they just can’t compete in terms of currency) and also because people are loosing confidence with the dollar …. so the pressures it was facing before the rescission (a completely different problem set than the recession) are back and exasperated by the recession.
    Some reassurance is that they managed to handle the recession decently and they already started tackling this issue. The sad part is the thing that will be needed the most, to get china to raise and float its currency, will not happen so they need to be creative about it and negotiate…
    as for the farm and some chicken … i wouldn’t go to Iowa (employment rates and real estate didn’t dip as much) I would go for Michigan, Callifornia (in 3 months) and georgia to buy it :P

    6 | kinzi

    November 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am

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    Thanks for your insight. As you probably already know, I try and make up for my lacks in areas by asking people who have them as strengths. You are like the all-around reference man for me!

    It is so complex, and what got my attention was India buying all that gold. @@ The India/China links to our economy are just wild.

    I threw Iowa out there, and already own in Cali and Illinois, but I think my sis-in-law and I will be planting in our backyards there this summer ;) . I am trying to get the church in hubby’s home-town to turn a couple acres of lawn into a community garden for the mobile home park inhabitants next door. We should be ok, but it is that level of society that is going to need help. Hmmm.

    thanks again!

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